Have Your Say:
The ‘Have Your Say’ page is intended to give you an opportunity to express support for or opposition to various issues of the time.
- Yes, Special Needs people should be represented in the proposed Municipal Forums 100%, 4 votes4 votes 100%4 votes - 100% of all votes
- Special Needs people should be represented elsewhere in society, not in the legislative structures 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
Are the proposed Municipal Forums suitable venues for representation of special needs people. Could they function adequately within the legislative processes or would they hamper and debilitate those processes. The DDF believe that Spcial Needs people are not incapable of comprehension and logical thought and the ability to make decisions based on their own self-interest, even if sometimes they need a little help getting to those decisions. Particulalry the DDF acknowledge that the local affairs dealt with in Municipal Forums are particularly relevant to how well Special Needs people are treated and thrive in local communities, so the DDF believes that the proposed Municipal Forums are perfect forums for self representation of special needs persons.
- Penalise municipalities for poor rendition of statements and accounting. 100%, 4 votes4 votes 100%4 votes - 100% of all votes
- Don't penalise municipalities for poor rendition of statements and accounting. 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
The Johannesburg Municipality seem particularly tardy in rendering statements and providing proper billing information. If this is typical of the attitude of municipalities toward their consumers (sort of suck it up, bro), should municipalities be penalised financially for non compliance. While this may seem counter-intuitive (at the end of the day it is the municipalities customers who bear the brunt of any penalties), but if 1) they were penalised and 2) had to publish the extent of the penalties, this may highlight the extent of the problem and, hopefully, move the proposed Municipal Forums to act against tardy municipalities, their management and the municipal councilors.
- Should consumers be allowed to legitimately withhold payment of municipal charges for non or inadequate service delivery. 40%, 4 votes4 votes 40%4 votes - 40% of all votes
- Pay a monthly Municipal Forum funded performance gratuity, which is not part of a pay package. 30%, 3 votes3 votes 30%3 votes - 30% of all votes
- Publish a Municipal Forum barometer of service delivery satisfaction. 30%, 3 votes3 votes 30%3 votes - 30% of all votes
Penalties are de-motivators. Rather reward good performance. A monthly performance gratuity for good service delivery might work. The gratuity would not be part of a Municipality's pay package but needs to be externalised, be a reward from the consumers for good service delivery given through the Municipal Forums.
Publishing a barometer of consumer satisfaction based on the volume and nature of complaints dealt with through the Municipal Forums might give ordinary workers and management and councillors an idea of how well they are doing and could be a basis of judging whether a performance gratuity is justified.
On the other hand, why should consumers be forced to pay for poor delivery of goods or services? Why should they be forced to pay additional money, even through a Treasury funded Municipal Forum, in order to get the service levels expected in return for a fair wage? Could a legitimate framework be created for consumers to legitimately withhold payment for poor or inadequate service delivery?
- Yes, we need municipal forums. 100%, 4 votes4 votes 100%4 votes - 100% of all votes
- No, we don't need municipal forums. 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
A municipal forum (MF) would be a local layer of democracy available to constituents and constituencies between elections, where municipal government and elected councils and councillors are held accountable to the MF and thereby to their constituencies, for the by-laws and regulations passed by council and management, both of which would need MF approval, and for the implementation thereof by management.
Management would be hired only with the approval of the MF and could be fired by the MF for non-performance as could the municipal councils also be fired, forcing municipal by-elections or the election of the entire council if the MF deemed it necessary.
The MF would be populated in much the same manner as the proposed Senate but with fewer members and with the same two year cycles as the proposed senate, with the 50% oldest serving members being replaced annually.
This would be the implementation of direct democracy at local levels. In this manner, if service delivery fails, communities need not resort to rioting, burning schools, clinics and libraries and planting bombs or incendiary devices in public spaces in order to be heard.
- Yes, Municipal Forums should be Chapter 9 institutions 100%, 4 votes4 votes 100%4 votes - 100% of all votes
- No, Municipal Forums should not be Chapter 9 institutions 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
Chapter 9 of the constitution of the Republic of South Africa protects institutions and persons established under its protection from interference from politicians and political bodies (including Parliament) and is intended to guard democracy.
- Sortition - random selection from volunteer peer groups. 75%, 3 votes3 votes 75%3 votes - 75% of all votes
- Elected. 25%, 1 vote1 vote 25%1 vote - 25% of all votes
- List system 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
A municipal forum is a forum for voicing constituency concerns and opinions. As such the most direct way of selecting members from constituencies is probably the best way. Random selection (sortition) from an available (volunteer) population seems to be the most direct way of obtaining that representation.
- A Municipal Forums Fund protected by chapter 9 of the constitution established and paid for by treasury should fund municipal forums. 100%, 4 votes4 votes 100%4 votes - 100% of all votes
- Central government should pay for municipal forums 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
- Local communities should pay for municipal forums 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
- Municipalities should pay for municipal forums 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
Municipal forums (MFs) need to be paid for but perhaps should not be beholden to government or municipalities which answer to them. There should be an element of independence regarding their existence and authority. A central Municipal Forums Fund under the protection of chapter 9 of the Constitution would enable that independence.
Without the power to wield the ultimate stick of firing (recalling) councillors or entire councils, municipal forums would only be token bodies and be incapable of any meaningful action.
- Yes, Municipal Forums should be able to fire municipal executives and management. 100%, 4 votes4 votes 100%4 votes - 100% of all votes
- No, Municipal Forums should not be able to fire municipal executives and management. 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
Without the ability to fire municipal management for incompetence, ineffectiveness or dereliction of duty, Municipal Forums would be ineffectual in the pursuance of their mandate, viz to speak for a municipality's constituents.
- Municipalities should not be allowed to trade for profit. 100%, 3 votes3 votes 100%3 votes - 100% of all votes
- Municipalities should be allowed to trade for profit 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
- Municipalities should be allowed to trade for profit but the profit should be fixed. 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
Typically, municipalities will buy goods and services (eg ESKOM, Rand Water, Pick It Up) and sell those services on to their captive market, the municipality's consumer population. Is this a good business model from the consumer's point of view when the supplier (the municipality) is actually operating as a monopoly and the consumer has no alternatives to choose from?
The DDF would argue that this enables municipalities, whether deliberately or not, to obscure the true nature of the costs that go into running a municipality and how those costs are recovered, particularly it obscures the actual cost of cross subsidisation.
Whilst the DDF acknowledges the need to subsidise poorer communities, we do not believe that hidden and obscure cross-subsidisation, the cost of which is born by other consumers who can barely afford their own costs, is the best way to do it. So we would prefer a system where costs are transferred from the service provider, directly to the consumer, without profit to the municipality and without cross subsidisation, and that other means of subsidising the poorer consumers be found and accounted for in a more transparent, open and honest manner.
By obscuring the true costs of subsidisation we are obscuring the true nature of the problem, If you do not understand the nature and the extent of a problem you cannot understand how to fix it.
- Central government should bear the cost of supporting impoverished communities. 75%, 3 votes3 votes 75%3 votes - 75% of all votes
- Allow cross subsidisation. 25%, 1 vote1 vote 25%1 vote - 25% of all votes
- Do not allow cross subsidisation. 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
- Use an openly declared transfer tax in place of cross-subsidisation to subsidise poorer communities. 0%, 0 votes0 votes0 votes - 0% of all votes
Municipalities will typically charge more affluent community members more for a good or service and charge the less affluent community members less or not at all, for the same good or service. This distorts the true costs to community members of goods and services. The DDF argue that such distortions should not be allowed, that cross subsidisation should not be allowed, and that other means should be found to support poorer communities.